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Jesus also prayed to God that the people might believe in him as God’s messenger. This

specifically defines the role of Jesus as deliverer of God’s message:

...Jesus looked upward and said, “Father, I thank you for having

heard me. I know that you always hear me but I have said this

for the sake of the crowd, that they may believe that you sent

me.”

[John 11:41-42]

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for the sake of the crowd, that they may believe that you sent

me.”

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Deliver the message.

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Let them disbelieve there own EYES!!!!!

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Evidence that Jesus was not God is in the way that

he taught the disciples to pray:

One day he was praying in a certain place. When he had

finished, one of his disciples asked him, “Lord, teach us to pray,

as John taught his disciples.” He said to them, “When you pray,

say: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your

kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us today our daily bread, and forgive us the wrong we have

done as we forgive those who wrong us. Subject us not to the

trial but deliver us from the evil one.’ ”

[Luke 11:1-4]

[Matthew 6:9-13]

Note that Jesus taught us to pray to the Father, our Creator, not to himself. In fact, he did

not mention himself in any way, nor did he indicate that we should pray in his name. His

instructions were very specific-we are to pray to God alone.

This would not be the case if Jesus himself were God.

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REPORTED DYING WORDS

Even in the narration of his death, in the Gospels of Matthew and Mark, there is an

incident that contradicts the concept of Jesus’ divinity. According to these two references,

Jesus was put on the cross and left to die, then:

At that time Jesus cried in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, Lama

Sabachtani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you

forsaken me?”

[Matthew 27:46] & [Mark 15:34]

It is not logical that God would ever say: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken

me?” This utterance was recorded in both Gospels in Jesus’ mother tongue,

Hebrew/Aramaic, to emphasize the accuracy of transmission. Thus, according to this

Christian narration, Jesus could not have been God.

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Individual scholarly efforts to determine the historical nature of the Gospels, and of Jesus

himself, are not new. What is unusual about this group is its effort to reach voting consensus,

after study and debate.

The group includes about 125 Roman Catholic, Protestant and non-Christian scholars.

Seminar leaders admit the findings are not to be taken as truth, but rather as a scholarly

“theory of uncertainty.”

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One example of the biblical phrases that the group claims are not

authentic is in John 11:25, where Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who

believes in me will...never die.”

In concluding that Jesus did not make such messianic claims, the group cites non-canonical

and highly controversial sources such as the Gospel of Thomas and the hypothetical “Q

document.”

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(ARIZONA DAILY STAR, October 18, 1987)

Significantly, the Jesus Seminar leaders have admitted that their scholarly findings “are

not to be taken as truth, but rather as a scholarly theory of uncertainty.” In other words,

even the leading scholars are still uncertain. One of the most important outcomes of the

1987 meeting of the Jesus Seminar the biblical statements in John 11:25-26 are “not

authentic.” This is relevant to this chapter, since many Christians have stretched the

interpretation of these particular verses to mean that Jesus is God:

Jesus told her: “I am the resurrection and the life: Whoever

believes in me, though he should die, will come to life; and

whoever is alive and believes in me will never die.”

[John 11:25-26]

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In these lines we see some of the Biblical references understood by many people to mean

that Jesus is God. We also see in the same lines that Goulder found those roundabout

statements do not bestow divinity upon Jesus.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we

have seen his glory: the glory of an only Son coming from the

Father filled with enduring love.

[John 1:14]

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This verse makes a clear distinction between the Word and the Father. In no way does it

argue for the divinity of Jesus. The Word comes from God, and thus reflects the glory of

the Creator, much as our creations reflect our skills and talents. But the Word cannot

logically be considered divine anymore than our handiwork is human.

The first verse of John is more misleading in this regard:

In the beginning was the Word; The Word was in God’s

presence, and the Word was God.

[John 1:1]

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An objective reading of this verse raises the question: “If the ‘Word’ was ‘in God’s

presence,’ how could it be God?” When something is in your presence, it has to be, by

definition, separate from you.

The logical understanding is that the ‘Word’ emanates from God, or represents God.

When we obey the Word of God, we obey God.

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This understanding is confirmed by the fact that throughout the Gospels, Jesus

emphasizes that he did not speak on his own, that God told him what to say. This clearly

indicates that Jesus delivered the Word of God, not that he was God. Here is an

illustration from John:

Jesus proclaimed aloud: “Whoever puts faith in me believes not

so much in me as in him who sent me; and whoever looks on me

is seeing him who sent me. I have come into the world as its

light, to keep anyone who believes in me from remaining in the

dark. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I am not

the one to condemn him, for I did not come to condemn the world

but to save it. Whoever rejects me and does not accept my words

already has his judge, namely, the word I have spoken- it is that

which will condemn him on the last day. For I have not spoken

on my own; no, the Father who sent me has commanded me what

to say and how to speak. Since I know that his commandment

means eternal life, whatever I say is spoken just as he instructed

me.”

[John 12:44-50]

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A distinction is made here among the Word of God, Jesus and God. Perhaps that

distinction can be expressed this way: Jesus brought to the world God’s Word, and thus,

whoever puts faith in that Word, puts faith in God. This distinction is reinforced by the

following quotes, again from the Gospel of John:

I cannot do anything of myself. I judge as I hear, and my

judgment is honest because I am not seeking my own will but the

will of him who sent me.

[John 5:30]

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“My doctrine is not my own; it comes from him who sent me.

Any man who chooses to do his will will know about this

doctrine- namely, whether it comes from God or is simply spoken

on my own. Whoever speaks on his own is bent on selfglorification. The man who seeks glory for him who sent him is

truthful; there is no dishonesty in his heart.”

[John 7:16-18]

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In John 8:40, Jesus describes himself as “a man who has told you the truth which I have

heard from God.”; Thus again we see that Jesus delivered the Word of God.

A significant understanding, and one whose relevance cannot be ignored here, occurs in

the Quran. The Quran calls Jesus a ‘Word’ from God. Among Quranic scholars, the

prevalent understanding of this description of Jesus is that Jesus was created inside

Mary’s womb as the result of a ‘word’ from God, the word ‘Be.’ Jesus was then formed

inside Mary’s womb, without the need of a human father:

The angels said, “O Mary, God sends to you good news: a word

from Him to be called the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary. He

will be prominent in this world and, in the Hereafter, he will be

among those close to God.”

[Quran 3:45]

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We sent to her from are spirit in the form of a human being...

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Angel Gabriel.

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The creation of Jesus, as far as God is concerned, is the same as

the creation of Adam; God created him from clay then said to

him, “Be,” and he was.

[Quran 3:59]

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COL. 1-PAUL’S TEACHING

Much of what we recognize today as the basic teachings of Christianity came to us

through Paul. Remember that though Paul was the major missionary to the gentiles in the

years immediately following the crucifixion, he never met Jesus. All of his understanding

of Jesus and what he taught came secondhand and through the visions which he had.

Most of Paul’s own teachings come to us through letters which he wrote to various

Christian communities. His Epistle to the Colossians is an example. It was partly from

this letter that Michael Goulder originally derived the idea of Jesus’ divinity:

He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all

creatures. In him everything in heaven and on earth was created,

things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominations,

principalities or powers; all were created through him, and for

him. He is before all else that is. In him everything continues in

being.

[Col.1:15-17]

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This obviously is Paul’s teaching, not that of the man who said, “Why do you call me

good? No one is good but God alone” (Mark 10:18). 18+1=19+0=19

In this passage, Paul was using an old Biblical formula to describe Jesus. Wisdom personified was similarly described in Solomon’s Proverbs:

“The Lord begot me, the firstborn of his ways, the forerunner of

his prodigies of long ago; From of old I was poured forth, at the

first, before the earth.”

[Proverbs 8:22-23]

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“Happy the man who obeys me, and happy those who keep my

ways, happy the man watching daily at my gates, waiting at my

doorposts; for he who finds me finds life, and wins favor from

the Lord; but he who misses me harms himself; all who hate me

love death.”

[Proverbs 8:33-36]

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When we look carefully at Colossians 1:15-17 and Proverbs 8:22-23 and 8:33-36, we

realize that we cannot draw the conclusion that Jesus and Wisdom personified are both

God. Rather, both instruct us in the means of reaching God, and thus are God’s agents,

not God. To paraphrase the authors of THE MYTH OF GOD INCARNATE, these

descriptions are a mythological or poetic way of expressing the significance of Jesus and

Wisdom for us.

The opening statements of Colossians make a clear distinction between God and Jesus:

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy

our brother, to the holy ones at Colossae, faithful brothers in

Christ. May God our Father give you grace and peace.

[Col. 1:1-2]

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PHILIPPIANS 2

Another biblical statement mentioned by Golder and used by many to convey divinity

upon Jesus is in Philippians 2. This is one of the epistles of uncertain origin. Many

scholars do not accept it as being written by Paul at all. A comparison of the King James

version and the broader based NEW AMERICAN BIBLE, reveals a dramatic difference in

the meanings given this statement. Here is the King James version:

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who,

being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with

God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the

form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.

[Phil. 2:5-7]

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Upon reading these straightforward verses, who can blame a believer in the scripture for

believing that God was incarnated into a human being? Here we see that Jesus was “in

the form of God,” that he “thought it not robbery to be equal with God,” and that “he took

upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.” No wonder this

rendering is frequently quoted with confidence by those who believe in the divinity of

Jesus.

However, when we study the original material, a totally different picture emerges. Let us

look at the same verses, translated directly from the oldest available texts by the

translators of the NEW AMERICAN BIBLE, rather than revised from earlier translations,

as is the case in the King James version:

Your attitude must be that of Christ: Though he was in the form

of God, he did not deem equality with God something to be

grasped at. Rather, he emptied himself and took the form of a

slave, being born in the likeness of men. He was known to be of

human estate.

[Phil. 2:5-7]

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Contrary to the King James’ assertion that Jesus’ equality with God was acceptable to

Jesus, the NEW AMERICAN BIBLE translation conveys the exact opposite; Jesus deemed

it unthinkable. The same problem is observed in the King James translation that Jesus

“made himself of no reputation” and “was made in the likeness of men.” This is vastly

different from Jesus “being born in the likeness of men. He was known to be of human

estate.”

Ironically, only two verses later, a clear distinction is made between God the Supreme

Being, and Jesus as one who was exalted by God. Obviously, God would have no need to

exalt Himself. Jesus the man was exalted by God. The complete biblical context clearly

negates the idea that Jesus was God.

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1 TIMOTHY 3:16

Another of the major verses used to support the concept that Jesus is divine is Verse 3:16. 3x6=18+1=19

of 1 Timothy. However, there is now a developing conviction that this particular verse

was an innovation written to conform to the principles of the Nicene Conference. Many

scholars question the authenticity of all of 1 Timothy, pointing to strong evidence that

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Paul wrote only three epistles: Romans, Corinthians and Galatians.

In any case, examination of two different translations of 1 Timothy 3:16.3x6=18+1=19 shows how

easily the translator’s understanding of a verse can overshadow the original wording. The

verse in the King James version reads as follows:

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God

was manifest in the flesh, justified in th e Spirit, seen of

angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world,

received up into glory.

[1 Timothy 3:16]

King James version

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Doctrine shaking.

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Now let us look at this verse in the NEW AMERICAN BIBLE, which you will remember

is a much more recent translation, able to use a wider range of documents than were

available at the time of the King James translation. This translation clearly refers to Jesus,

but does not say he is God:

Wonderful, indeed, is the mystery of our faith, as we say in

professing it: “He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the

Spirit; Seen by the angels; preached among the Gentiles,

Believed in throughout the world, taken up into glory.”

[1 Timothy 3:16.New American Bible

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WORD OF GOD

It seems that the representation of God by His word, as explained earlier, has contributed

to occasional confusion. Nevertheless, the idea that the ‘Word’ of God represents God is

common to the three scriptures: the Torah, the New Testament and the Quran:

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their

kinsmen, and I will put my words into his mouth; he shall tell

them all that I command him. If any man will not listen to my

words which he speaks in my name, I myself will make him

answer for it.

[Deut. 18:18-19]

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We make no distinction among any of them.

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This idea that Jesus did not speak on his own is repeated throughout the Gospels, as

quoted earlier. See, for example, John 7:16-18 and 12:44-50.

In the Quran, the same principle is set forth:

Whoever obeys the messenger is obeying God.

[Quran 4:80]

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Deuteronomy 18:15, and 18-19 (quoted above) indicate that the messenger of God does

not speak on his own. Thus, the message delivered by God’s messenger and contained in

the scripture, stands for the messenger, and represents God (“If any man will not listen to

my words which he speaks in my name, I myself will make him answer for it ” [Deut.

18:19]).

In his book, the translated title of which is THE HISTORY OF RELIGIOUS

SECTARIANISM (The Message Publishers, 1985, p. 23), Dr. Ahmed Mansour, Professor

of Islamic History at the famous Azhar University in Cairo, states:

...since the messenger, be he Moses, Jesus or Muhammad, is dead, the commandment ‘to obey

the messenger’ must be referring to the message itself.

He also notes that the scriptures consistently order us to “obey the messenger,” and not to

obey Moses, or Jesus, or Muhammad by name.

This same idea has been expressed by other scholars on the basis of the Quran 11:1-2 and

65:10-11, where the scripture is specifically called “the messenger.”

(This is) a scripture whose verses have been perfectly designed

then elucidated. It comes from the most wise, the most

knowledgeable. Proclaiming: “You shall not worship except

God. I come to you from Him, as a preacher and a bearer of

good news.”

[Quran 11:1-2]

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God has sent down to you the scripture, a messenger reciting

for you God’s profound revelations....

[Quran 65:10-11]

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JOHN 14

This principle of representing God by His Word is clearly demonstrated in John 14:6-11.

It appears that the problem of the deification of Jesus arose from the same kind of

misunderstanding of this passage as we witnessed earlier with John 1:1, Colossians 1:15-

17 and Philippians 2:5-7.

I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the

Father but through me. If you really knew me, you would know

my Father also. ‘From this point on you know him.... Whoever

has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the

Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the

Father is in me? The words I speak are not spoken of myself; it is

the Father who lives in me accomplishing his works. Believe me

that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else, believe

because of the works I do.”

[John 14:6-11]

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John 14:20 sheds more light on the idea of God being represented by His words, and

shows that “I am in the Father, and the Father is in me” does not mean that Jesus is the

same as God:

“On that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in

me, and I in you.”

[John 14:20]

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Obviously, Jesus’ disciples do not become Jesus, nor are they made divine when Jesus

tells them: “I am in the Father, and you in me, and I in you.” Similarly, Jesus’ statement

that “To hate me is to hate my Father” (John 15:23) does not mean that Jesus and God are

one and the same. Rather it indicates a hatred of the Father’s teachings that Jesus

delivered.

Thus far it is clear that the references from the New Testament we have examined, which

are understood by many to confer divinity upon Jesus, are indirect and misleading.

Meanwhile, the direct expression: “Jesus is God” is never found.

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ISAIAH 9

Interestingly, it is in the Old Testament where we find the most critical verse for

searching Christians—Isaiah 9:6. The translation of this particular verse is the most

misleading of all. In the King James version, it reads:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the

government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name shall be

called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting

Father, the Prince of peace.

[Isaiah 9:6]

King James version

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Let’s look at this same verse as translated by the Jewish Publication Society of America

in its THE HOLY SCRIPTURES: According To The Masoretic Text (Philadelphia, 1917):

For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; And the

government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pelejoez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom; (That is: Wonderful in

council is God the Mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler of

peace.)

[Isaiah 9:5]

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Torah

To be named “Wonderful in council is God the Mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler

of peace” is not to be God, but to be named with a name which glorifies God. The names

“John,” meaning “God is good,” and “Joshua,” meaning “God is salvation,” are similar.

Note that the original Hebrew is used to ensure and emphasize the accuracy of

transmittal. Also note that the verse number is five, rather than the number six of the

King James translation.

The verse number five is also retained in the NEW AMERICAN BIBLE translation, along

with a much more accurate rendition of the Hebrew/Aramaic of the original:

For a child is born to us, a son is given us; upon his shoulder

dominion rests. They name him wonder-counselor, God-hero,

Father-Forever, Prince of Peace.

[Isaiah 9:5]

New American Bible

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Though this translation is not as straightforward as the Jewish rendering of the same

verse, the difference between this translation and the King James version is doctrineshaking. The difference between the phrases “the mighty God,” and “God-hero” is

obvious and profound. There are people today who can be considered God-heros, doing

great work in the cause of God.

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REVELATION 1:8

Going back to the New Testament, we see a similar pattern of misunderstanding and

mistranslation in another verse often quoted to show that Jesus was God. First, the King

James version:

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the

Lord, Which is, and which was, and which is to come, the

Almighty.

[Revelation 1:8]

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Second, THE NEW AMERICAN BIBLE version:

The Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the One

who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty!”

[Revelation 1:8]

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Note that the King James version omits the critical first line: “The Lord God says...” The

omission gives the impression that it is Jesus who is speaking, rather than God. This

impression is strengthened by the fact that “I am the Alpha and the Omega” is repeated

some verses later within the context of a mysterious and totally ambiguous story. Here

the source of these words is not identified as Jesus, but as “One like a Son of Man.”

Whether leaving out the crucial first line was intentional or not in the King James

version, there is no doubt that its absence creates a false reading of the verse

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JOHN 8:58

There is one last verse we should examine. It also is misunderstood by many who believe

that it shows Jesus was divine:

Jesus answered them: “I solemnly declare it: before Abraham

came to be, I AM.”

[John 8:58]

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Extracting divinity for Jesus from this verse is stretching it far beyond its context. First of

all, a complete reading of the entire passage leaves a very different impression:

Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, that glory comes to nothing.

He who gives me glory is the Father, the very one you claim for

your God, even though you do not know him. But I know him.

Were I to say I do not know him, I would be no better than you-a

liar! Yes, I know him well, and I keep his word. Your father

Abraham rejoiced that he might see my day. He saw it and was

glad.” At this the Jews objected: “You are not yet fifty! How can

you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered them: “I solemnly

declare it: before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

[John 8:54-58]

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A very clear distinction is made in this passage between Jesus and God. Also, the idea of

Jesus’ pre-existence is not at all unique in the Bible and does not prove his divinity. For

example, we see the pre-existence of Jeremiah in the Old Testament:

The word of the Lord came to me thus: Before I formed you in

the womb I knew you, before you were born I dedicated you, a

prophet to the nations I appointed you.

[Jer. 1:4-5] 4x5=20-1=19

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Personified Wisdom’s pre-existence, in the same manner as Jesus, is reported in

Proverbs:

“The Lord begot me, the firstborn of his ways, the forerunner of

his prodigies of long ago; From of old I was poured forth, at the

first, before the earth. When there were no depths I was brought

forth, when there were no fountains or springs of water; Before

the mountains were settled into place, before the hills, I was

brought forth; While as yet the earth and the fields were not

made, nor the first clods of the world.”

[Proverbs 8:22-26]

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As an interesting note, Jesus, Solomon and Jeremiah are recognized in the Quran as

prophets and messengers of God. Furthermore, the Quran states that God made a special

covenant with all His messengers before the creation of the heaven and the earth (Quran

3:81).

In fact, according to the Quran, the entire human race predated the heaven and the earth:

Recall that your Lord gathered all the descendants of Adam

(before creation), and had them bear witness for themselves,

saying: “Am I not your only Lord?” They all said, “Yes indeed,

we thus bear witness.”

[Quran 7:172]

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EXAMINATION OF THE TITLE ‘LORD’

Finally, we need to look at the title ‘Lord’ as used to refer to Jesus. This word has

sometimes been chosen as the translation instead of ‘Master’ or ‘Rabbi.’ In English it has

a much more elevated meaning and, when referring to Jesus, it is understood by many

readers to imply his divinity. Jesus’ own understanding of this title is illustrated in the

following verses from Matthew. Note that the Jews were expecting the Messiah (literally

‘the anointed one’) to come from the family of David:

In turn Jesus put a question to the assembled Pharisees, “What

is your opinion about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”

“David’s,” they answered He said to them, “Then how is it that

David under the Spirit’s influence calls him ‘lord,’ as he does:

‘The Lord said to my lord, Sit at my right hand, until I humble

your enemies beneath your feet’?”

[Matthew 22:41-44]

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Here we see a clear distinction between the Lord God who supports His Messiah,

humbling his enemies and keeping him in His protection (at His right hand), and that

same Messiah as a ‘lord’ or master/rabbi.

The irony of the above scriptural quote has been masked by the translation rendered as

‘lord’, which might also be translated as ‘father’. The latter translation then becomes:

...”Whose son is he?” “David’s,” they answered. He said to

them, “Then how is it that David...calls him ‘father,’ as he does:

‘The Father said to my father....’”

[Matthew 22:42-44]

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In the Middle East, the traditional title for the father, the head of the household or the

leader is ‘rabb’ or ‘lord.’ This is true in Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic. It does not

necessarily imply divinity.

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CONCLUSION

Jesus followed the Mosaic law and did not claim divinity. According to the Bible, He was

not omniscient nor omnipotent.

We have examined a large number of scriptural references which are often used to

support the divinity of Jesus. As we have seen, there are factors in all of them which

negate that conclusion, or make it very questionable. Given the fact that nowhere in the

Bible do we see a direct identification of Jesus as God, and that Jesus strongly upheld all

the commandments and emphasized the First Commandment, we can only conclude that

the doctrine of Jesus’ divinity has no foundation in the scripture nor in the life and

teachings of Jesus. This concept is an innovation in Christian doctrine.

This may be a painful and radical conclusion for many. Painful because it is new and runs

contrary to what we have always been taught. Radical only